i think you're hearing john boehner say look, we've been responsible and guarded. it's the other guy's fault. you're going to hear democrats say, middle class folks, you're being held hostage so that the billionaires can pay lower taxes. >> arthel: that's what i'm talking about because they have to look forward to the 2014 midterm elections and so each person has to go back to their constituents and say look, i fought for you for what you want. it's happening. but i'm saying, what's going toned up winning in the end, because the folks did vote november 6 saying they want to make some sort of agreement happen and they're tired of this gridlock happening there in washington. >> well look, i think you're absolutely right, art. i think that was the message and my only hope is, and i think you probably share it -- is that the political posturing will go on in public, but then at least in private we'll start to make some progress because, you know, at the end of the day, i really don't care what the polls say now about republicans to blame versus democrats to blame. i th